At 1,083 feet Cleeve Hill is the highest point in the Cotswolds with commanding views over nearby Winchcombe to the north, Bishops Cleeve and Wales to the west and Cheltenham some four miles distant to the south. Indeed, the renowned Cheltenham Gold Cup was first run on Cleeve Hill from 1815 to 1855 before moving to Prestbury Park just north of the town. Plenty of horses being exercised are still seen about the common.
Covering some 1,000 acres, Cleeve Common was cleared of trees about 6,000 years ago and is the largest unenclosed wold on the Cotswold escarpment. The land has been used for farming, grazing and quarrying. Much of the iconic golden Cotswold stone used for nearby buildings was quarried in and around Cleeve Cloud (a lower summit of Cleeve Hill and the name of the members’ club attached to the course) and has been for at least two millennia. It is these quarries which give so many holes their character.
There was little heed paid to eliminating blind shots, but this is likely a product of minimal construction rather than a purposeful design element. There are perhaps eight blind tee shots, surely too many for any course, however, these are not overly hampered with harsh penalties for inexactitude. So, we have quarries, blind tee shots and a knowledge that things come in threes. It may sound very strange for a common land course to exhibit anything of an exceptional nature, but true it is. On several occasions it is nothing less than dreamy after cresting a brow; for the green sites are one after another, exquisitely placed. Critics write of second shot courses with great frequency, but in the case of Cleeve Cloud it is nearly as perfect a description of a course as there can be.
Whilst delving into the provenance of the course at Cleeve Hill, we enlisted the help of Melvyn Morrow Hunter, the great great grandson of Old Tom Morris, who provided a newspaper clip from the Cheltenham Chronicle dated 11th July 1891 which stated: “the course was laid out by that veteran of St Andrews, Tom Morris, who was himself enraptured with it, declaring that few golf links in the kingdom are equal to those on Cleeve Common. From the point of view of a golfer such as Mr Morris, the links ‘offer plenty of variety, and a sufficiency of difficulties and dangers’.”
David Brown, designer of another Cotswold beauty, Painswick, was engaged in 1891 to "arrange for the preparation and keeping of the greens”. Mr Brown was famous as the teacher of Queen Victoria and for winning The Open at Musselburgh, his home green, in 1886. He later became the professional for Cheltenham GC (wound up in 1935) before his departure to the United States. He would finish second in the 1903 US Open. Sadly, David Brown went bankrupt in the Wall Street crash and was deported back to Scotland where he died penniless.
The course must have been a bit rough and ready for Braid's comments after losing a match to Harry Vardon over the Cleeve Hill design in 1902 were short and sharp; "You get a great view of Cheltenham." Additional big matches were held in 1905 and 1924. The international match in 1905 featured Vardon and Taylor against Braid and Herd; all three members of The Great Triumvirate and the much loved would be fourth member, Sandy Herd. In 1924 two well-known British professionals, Abe Mitchell and George Duncan (recent winner of The Open in 1920) played a match to celebrate the opening of the newly extended course. As it happens, the 18-year-old Alf Padgham was recently hired as the Assistant Professional. Of course, Mr Padgham went on to become a premier British player, winning The Open at Royal Liverpool in 1936.
The card of the course can be deceiving due to its 6,083 total yards from the yellow tees, however, upon closer inspection we note there is only one par five, resulting in a course par of 69. Like Woodhall Spa, Cleeve Hill is a rarity among courses in that it is easier to play to one’s handicap by stepping back to the medal tees which measure 6,400 yards with a par of 71.
After two back and forth holes sharing a sloped fairway and the uphill 3rd, the world opens up on #4. Despite appearances of being wide open, this is a very testing hole with a good wind off the left. The green is severely sloped from back to front making it difficult to accurately judge the approach. It is thought The Good Doctor re-designed this hole (along with #s 5, 7 & 9) previous to WWI. There does seem to be an added touch about these greens which indicate the work of an experienced designer. The 5th introduces the golfer to the first run of quarry holes. This hole too is deceptive in how much space there is for the drive, but the aggressive play must be accurate. The sixth takes play directly over a quarry for an excellent short hole. The long and testing seventh also utilizes a quarry for its green.
Despite the many fine holes on the front nine, it in no way outshines the returning nine holes. The gently rising two-shot 12th is stern yet not as demanding as the following hole. Once again the drive is wide open and uphill. A few sand-free hollows short of the hillcrest give the golfer an indication of the line, but not what follows! Coming over the hill the entire town of Cheltenham lies in waiting. Once the spectacle of this view diminishes the ordeal of the second shot comes sharply into focus. The green rests in an iron age ring known as the Camp which runs toward Cheltenham at such a slope that success in holding this green can only be achieved with a great deal of luck.
The 14th is yet another fine hole, but we now hit a trio of holes which are of such excellence that it is a wonder Cleeve Cloud isn’t much better known. Back to back par threes, fifteen plays over a quarry and uphill sixteenth runs through a gap. A total of six strokes on these two holes will do any golfer. Not to be outdone by any of the previous quarry holes, the penultimate hole is both fascinating and perplexing. Yes, the drive is blind, nothing new there. The fairway is more an up-side-down V than a humpback. The drop down toward the mother of all quarries is sharp and without mercy. On the other hand, this downhill par four can be driven if one finds the slot and is long enough.
The 18th is a tad disappointing, but that is no slight on Cleeve Cloud. If one likes adventurous golf with lovely views, yet plenty of space to play the game, Cleeve Cloud is a must play.
Above article by Sean Arble.
Tom Doak made a point of playing Cleeve Hill in 2016 and awarded the course a rating of seven out of ten. He commented as follows in his Christmas 2017 Confidential Guide update:
“I do not often use the word “unique” in my reviews of golf courses, but Cleeve Cloud fits the bill. Laid out over the commons on top of Cleeve Hill, a thousand feet above Cheltenham, it is England’s answer to Gullane but the scale is ever more vast because there are only 18 holes to wander over it, and you are much higher up. The fairways are grazed by sheep and cattle, so you should not wear your best golf shoes [or trousers!], and undoubtedly some people will be put off by that -- or by the difficult climb at the par-4 3rd, or by the several funky blind tee shots where it hardly seems to matter where you wind up. [You would be in good company: James Braid, who played a match here against Harry Vardon in 1902, would only say afterward that “You get a great view of Cheltenham.”] But it would be a shame not to see the wonderful green sites of the 5th and 7th holes, the wild [if not very playable] 13th green which sits in between the mounded rings of an Iron Age fort, the back-to-back par-3 15th and 16th with their intimidating tee shots across ancient quarry works, or the sprawling vista from the crest of the fairway at the penultimate hole, with its green tucked in a bowl far below.
Above all, here is a chance to appreciate golf as you may never have understood it – an energizing walk over glorious open countryside, with some unique hazards to overcome along the way. And the scruffy “natural” maintenance also means that it’s incredibly cheap to play. Indeed, there are few courses remaining today that present the sport as it was originally envisioned more clearly than Cleeve Cloud.”
Managed to grab a last minute round after an exhibition at the nearby Malvern ended early. The first time I heard of Cleeve Hill was a video from the Cookie Jar Golf guys. They highlighted the story and attracted some well needed attention about the inevitable closing of the golf course due to it not being sustainable. This video, along with efforts from a lot of the great Instagram community and passionate members eventually led to an investor purchasing and saving the golf course from permanent closure.
We interrupt this review to bring you some Cleeve Hill bingo! Hikers? check. Dog walkers? check. fantastic panoramic views? check. Sheep? check. Burning calves? check. Fantastic value for money? BINGO!
You'd be the fool for thinking that, due to the sheer size of the area to hit in off most tees that it's an easy course. Whilst it's a relatively hard course to lose a ball on, with small and undulating greens, being exposed to the elements and rarely a flat lie in sight, it can prove a challenging course even for the good players. The relaxed dress code is a nice touch too.
Unfortunately one of the holes had been closed for months due to vandalism, one of the drawbacks on such a publicly accessible golf course. Speaking of which, you do have to mind out not only for the animals roaming, but for hikers and dog walkers too. They tend to just walk straight across which is an accident waiting to happen.
Overall, some great golfing holes, combined with some fantastic views. Condition isn't anything special, in fact it's exactly as I expected it to be, not manicured but greens rolled surprisingly well for March. The value for money is incredible and is well worth a journey to come and see as there really isn't a great deal of competition in the immediate area.
Cleeve Hill was the 111th golf course I've played at 23 years old. You'll find pictures, quizzes and discussion on my Instagram page. come and follow my adventure! https://www.instagram.com/ginger.golf/?hl=en-gb
On the low grumbling climb,
Through the dank, autumnal, hovering mists,
those gently swirling ghostly wisps.
the horizon skimming feeble sun arrives.
and fingers numb,
The deceived, optimistic mind,
cajoles our knowing hands.
onto evasive, shivering cold steel.
Assail the tee with best intent.
Flail a swing that's too hard wrung.
The plan's undone.
See a sigh, in fragile light.
The awkward, unnatural, defiant flight.
o'er the sheep gnawed grass tumbling wide.
A good drive long,
as we are high.
Atop this earthly, dizzying, tide.
Is that Wales?
That fills my eye?
Across the titchy, toy like towns,
and the farms;
with their hedge sawn bands.
have scarred this land.
At rainbows end.
Cleeve Hills gold,
shared out with friends.
The location, routing, and atmosphere at Cleeve Hill moves you like few other places. It is timelessly unique and essential. An elemental and starkly reassuring remedy, for any of our modern, frowsty blights.
You can feel Old Tom's breath on your neck. And, perhaps, you'll hear his Scottish drawl, whispering to you across time, as you pick your shots.
A course for bombers, pretty long and extremely wide, helped by the ever vigilant sheep trimming the rough. The greens rolled very well for the small green fee, obviously the views are excellent, and there’s a memorable set of par 3s. Some of the par 4 get quite similar, but it’s great that Cleeve Hill now seems set up for the long-term.
Played this course on a lovely sunny afternoon, the course is definitely one you will remember, as the setting is fantastic.
Please don't expect manicured greens etc, this is a course that revels in its throwback nature. For me the last 6 holes are more memorable than the previous twelve which are in many ways much of a likeness.
In my opinion I would choose this course over Minchinhampton Old but then again I would choose Painswick over both.
My congratulations however to the management team who seem to be doing a good job in turning the course around.
We were lucky to pick the perfect day to play Cleeve Hill. The sun was shining, shorts were the order of the day and the skies were clear.
When we checked in for our round, we were met with an extremely warm welcome and a course manager who stated “You’re gonna love it guys, as long as you don’t mind putting through sheep sh*t”.
We instantly got the charm of Cleeve Hill from the first tee. The views were incredible (and we were only at the low point of the course), you were aiming at a driving post that looked to be in the middle of a field and had sheep grazing around it. From there you are taken on a rollercoaster ride of Cleeve, up hills, through ravines, quarries, blind tee shots and approaches.
Don’t expect the manicured fairways and perfect greens of premier golf clubs, Cleeve is not about that and nor should it be. This is about more than golf. This is about having as much fun as you can over 18 holes and it does just that! You are filled with an overriding sense of happiness playing here and it’s a course that should be on every golfer’s bucket list.
The first couple of holes act as a warmup and from the 3rd you are taken uphill to really begin the ride. There are a fantastic variety of holes, but the best stretch is from 13 to home, with 13 being a fantastic Par 5 playing over a hill into an age-old fort, with views of the Cotswolds and the Mecca of Horse Racing. The back to back Par 3s on 15 and 16 are fantastic and wouldn’t look out of place on a top links course.
When sitting in the quaint clubhouse over a beer and the necessary ice cream from the bordering cafe (I recommend Blackcurrant and clotted cream and Salted Caramel) you are left with a sense of fun and happiness. It’s a course you just want to get out and play again and I can’t wait to come back.
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I’ll start this review with a caveat; I am a member at Cleeve Hill and very proud of the course and its heritage.
The course and the club have been through well documented struggles in recent times, suffering from under investment and stagnant ownership. As of April 2021, new owners are now in place and for the first time in a long time, the future looks extremely bright.
With Old Tom Morris and Alister Mackenzie acknowledged as having played a part in the design, clearly there is some historical relevance to this course in the context of British golfing history. Laid across common access land on Cleeve Hill, the highest peak in the Cotswolds, the course is set in magical surroundings with the views to the west, particularly mesmerising on the back nine.
Starting with the negatives to get them out of the way. Sheep and livestock roam freely during the summer months and their presence is clear to see on most of the fairways. It also means the odd lie may be less than optimal. There are also walkers that frequent the hill and you may find yourself waiting from time to time to ensure the coast is clear. Finally, the 1st and 2nd holes are weak in my humble opinion which is a shame, as I believe it crucial that a really memorable course layout should start and finish with strong holes. That being said, the 2nd divides opinion and some are more fond of it than others.
The 3rd is a testing uphill short par 4 that acts as a connector to the real heart of the course. The run of holes 4 to 7 is a special 40 minutes of golf that I never tire of playing. All are strong holes, although the wind will often define just how difficult they play.
The 9th is a special par 4, played from a raised tee into sweeping right to left sloping fairway. That is my favourite tee shot on the course. From this point on, it is memorable hole after memorable hole, with the 13th often being highlighted as the signature hole. A par 4 off the yellows and a 5 off the whites, you play uphill to a marker post at the summit of the hill. Once reaching the summit you are then bowled over by the extent of the view. After you have regained some focus, you will note that the green site is spectacular, set in the remains of iron aged fort and devilish to negotiate, even from close range.
The run home brings you along the south western edge of the ridge and the views act as a major distraction, especially if you happen to still have a score going. 15 and 16 are two par 3’s played over quarried land that you won’t forget in a hurry and the 18th tee shot will live long in the memory.
In summary, Cleeve Hill is a special place. The difficulty here lies not off the tee, but around the small and well defended green sites. The weather often has an influence on your play and is rarely the same on two days. It is golf as it was 100 years ago and playing the ball on the ground is well advised. However your game holds up, there is something good for the soul about playing golf on the hill.
Great news Alex. It’s courses like Cleeve Hill that add so much depth & variety to the rich tapestry of English golf. Cheers to the next 130 odd years!
I played this course today with my wife, just after Storm Dennis and with the wind blowing and rain in the air - I loved it!
I had read the reviews beforehand and decided that this was the course I wanted to play whilst in the Cotswolds. Given the recent weather it may have been the only course we could have played. The course was on 18 greens, always is we were advised.
With blind shots a plenty, and a course which must have been like Old Tom Morris 1st visualised i.e. little man made interference in the construction of the holes with exception of greens, this was like playing golf as it must have been all those hundreds of years ago when the Scots 1st started the game. And the manicuring of the fairways I suspect is also largely in part left to the sheep. But this is what makes the course such a pleasure to play.
We were on all 18 greens - there wasn’t necessarily much difference between the fairway height and greens, and with the well draining turf and winds, playing links style golf shots worked a treat, including putting from distance off the greens themselves.
The course starts with a blind tee shot over the hill. This was part of the fun, finding out what laid ahead of you after your tee shot. Fortunately the course is quite open and so there are shared fairways/general land. The 1st and 2nd are no different. The 1st is a par 5 and after following your tee shot over the hill you are left with a downhill approach to the green. 1st impressions of the greens weren’t great, but they grew on me as you got accustomed to them. They appeared slow but ran out quite a bit. The 2nd is a par 4 where you hit back up alongside the 1st, or in my case along the 1st, leaving a short 2nd into the green raised above you to the left.
You then tee off again with a blind shot over further up the hillside for a short par 4.
The course then opens up as you work your way up the 4th and the open space of Cleeve Hill all around you. Keep your drive to the right of the fairway as the slope will take your ball back left. A long par 4 at 433 yards off the Yellow tees and into the wind. The 5th then plays back on yourself but again higher up the hill.
Then you get to the 1st of the 4 par 3’s - all wonderful I thought. You get your 1st real glimpse of the quarrying which has happened over the centuries on Cleeve Hill. Not a long par 3, at 127 yards but the wind was blowing fierce from the left and my ball was blown into the quarry to the right of the hole. A chip back up 50 feet and onto the green. Lucky to hold the green. The greens do really run out.
You then make your way further up the hill with the 7th, a par 4 similar to the 4th and again a hole you cannot see fully laid out in front of you.
You keep weaving your way up the hill and the 8th another blind tee shot but the hole is relatively straight up in front of you. Behind the green is the Trig Point and offers amazing views across the county.
You then head off along the side of the hill on the 9th where the fairway is way below you from a high tee and a really nice view of the hole is seen.
Your back 9 starts with a long par 3 but it plays downhill and I had wind behind, so it played shorter. Happy to walk off with a par. The valley below is spectacular.
You then head up the 11th and you continue your climb until on hole 13 you reach what I think is the highest point of the course (unless the Trig point after hole 8 is it). I really liked the green complex at hole 12. The 13th is a par 5 and easily reachable in 3, playing into a green which is surrounded by links style mounds (instead of dunes). You also have footpath behind the green.
But from here, a short walk to the 14th and magnificent views across Cheltenham and the Racecourse - of course the Cheltenham Gold Cup used to be raced over these hills. I simply love the history of the area and the fact that this is a walk over the moors with the odd fairway and green mowed into it.
The 15th is the start of 2 back to back par 3’s. Both played in the quarried area, the 1st is over the quarry which should not come into play in any event to a green surrounded by 3 bunkers - in fact until now there had not been much in the way of bunkers but bothe these par 3’s feature 3 bunkers each.
The 16th is a longer par 3, 193 yards played through the quarry mounds to a green you cannot see. Again a par, so was happy with what is a very multi layered green.
Then the 17th as you start back down the course (runs parallel to the 8th). Careful with your drive. Aim at the marker post, but as the fairway then feeds right to left, your ball could easily find its way into the quarry. You only realise this when you get there. I was a a couple of yards away from the edge! A short wedge and a par or better awaits
Then the last, a high tee shot down the 18th and a 2nd into a green that I found hard to hold. In which case rely on your short game and a par is a good way to finish the round.
This was a wonderful day out. The weather did not spoil it and at £12 each a bargain for such a fun and interesting course, with wonderful views and realising that you could leave this course for a year and it would all be back to moorland. Basic, rudimental golf but an absolute pleasure to play. Friendly welcome to boot.
I recommend you play.
Wholeheartedly agree with Andy… I recommend Cleeve Hill too, but if you haven’t yet played here you’d better go sooner rather than later. Last week Tewkesbury Borough Council announced: "Cleeve Hill Golf Club to close next spring".
Ridiculous decision to close this course !!!!
Kevin - I believe the decision to close was financial - try Minchinhampton Old for an old style natural common land course of similar style
A stay of execution for Cleeve Hill perhaps… Tewkesbury Borough Council has begun a bidding process in the hope that an operator can be found to take on a new long-term lease… https://www.tewkesbury.gov.uk/cleeve-hill-golf-cou...
Cleeve Hill lives on with Cotswold Hub Co taking on the project. They’re a partnership of two golfers who grew up playing the course themselves. It sounds like they’re going to be sympathetic with the current ethos of the club whilst improving course conditioning and making more of the dynamic between golfers and other visitors to Cleeve Hill that makes it a special place to visit. You can read more here:
Quite a unique course to play a round on for my 427th course worldwide. I would describe it as a mixture of Isle of Purbeck (although much hillier than IoP and of course no sea view from CH, but generally the course layout is similar, although CH is much more open with less trouble - few bunkers and no trees.....and not much else in fact !) and Clyne (for the roaming animals and feel of the place.....CH has a sort of Welsh links feel, despite not being near the sea or in Wales !?!?)
First two holes are perhaps the weakest and least interesting opening with a long but still reachable in two downhill par five. Of course perhaps not so reachable in the winter as when it is currently rock hard and sun baked !!
Plenty of good holes, loads of sheep (and what sheep leave behind them!), and virtually every hole has a stunning view.
The tenth is a good downhill 219 yard SI 14 par 3 and other than not crossing, the 15th and 16th, two consecutive par threes are kind of reminiscent of similarly numbered par three holes at North Wales GC.
I had read it was better of the whites but forgot so played off yellows so 4th and 13th were long par fours for me, but the 13th provides a stunning view of both the very linksy looking green and the Cheltenham skyline as you reach the marker post, and on the next two holes you get a birdseye view of the racecourse.
Friendly and helpful pro. Well worth a visit to what feels - in the nicest possible way - a step back in time.
Let’s make no mistake here, Cleeve Hill is municipal golf. The course is scruffy and tatty, basically being shared farmland where sheep graze and maintenance is minimal. The greens are very poor with most surfaces suffering damage from animal scratchings, there are even heavy tractor tracks to the right of the 11th hole.
I say this not to criticise the course but manage potential visitor’s expectations. Cleeve Hill is not a premium product, nor is it trying to be. And for £12 per round on a Saturday afternoon in February, you’re getting what you’ve paid for. Actually I’m being unfair, I’ve had lesser experiences for far more expensive green fees. If you look past the on-course presentation, you have the very definition of a rough diamond. The bare bones of a great course are all there.
Set high above the Cotswolds’ countryside on Gloucestershire’s highest point, prepare to be joined across the course by more than just golfers. Due to the breathtakingly beautiful scenery and pleasant hike, you’ll have to hold back from hitting your tee shot at various points through the round to wait for a fell-runner to pass or a group of walkers to cross the fairway with their dogs. If you’re able to put course conditioning aside….and a really pleasant walk with gorgeous views, amazing green surrounds and clobbering your ball across ancient quarries sounds like your thing, then come and visit Cleeve Hill.
The fairways are generous and that’s putting it mildly. Due to what I assume to be a small maintenance budget and some greenstaff disguised as livestock, the rough and fairways are both cut to generally the same height. The course sets itself up well for creativity rather than placing a premium on accuracy and whilst the course is in no way a links, it shares many characteristics with links golf; the soil is free draining, there are blind shots aplenty, the land is clear of trees and gorse bushes are scattered here and there. The high winds I experienced were also verging on the extreme, so the playing strategy lends itself to keeping your ball low and bumping it along the ground.
When the highlights of the round come, they’re of extremely high quality. The 2nd has a wonderful stepped green, sculpted into the side of the hill and the long drop-shot par three 10th across gorse is a great test of your long iron accuracy. The signature 13th has a bell-shaped green sat between earthwork ruins, themselves surrounded by treacherous moat-like gulleys; this is all set before a beautiful panoramic view of Cheltenham in the distance. 15, the first of two back to back par threes has the most noteworthy of canyon carries, don’t scuff or top your tee shot here. 16 was an amazing yet bewildering hole where I gazed around unknowingly for longer than I ought to before I finally figured out where the green was located; perched over a hill, semi blind with two quarries separated by a grassy spine above which to keep your ball aloft, this is a hole to intimidate even the best of amateur golfers.
Take the time to breathe in the views whilst walking Cleeve Hill, golf doesn’t have to be a rush. The views are truly outstanding and both the triangulation marker at the pinnacle of the hill and the isolated tree doubling as a memorial to loved ones passed at the 13th should offer the wandering golfer a time to reflect.
Despite the sheep poop and scratchy greens, I liked Cleeve Hill. Some heavy investment in combination with the engagement of a top course architect could make this place pretty special, but maybe it already is, maybe upgrading the course would ruin the experience that the likes of Cleeve Hill provide. It’s a course that’s at one with its community and environment and the type of golf that people go on a pilgrimage to play at places like Askernish, so just maybe this is golf the way it’s meant to be? Personally I’m not there yet, but my inner eco-hipster wants to be.
Hopefully positive & engaging reviews like this will encourage more of us to visit places like Cleeve Hill.
This is surely helpful for the future accessibility, sustainability, and soul of our game - and it sounds like you’ll have fun there too.
More Golfers should embrace their inner Eco-Hipster!
Cleeve Hill certainly covers a large acreage, the views are very good and the yellow gorse was in bloom (although didn't actually affect play much). Clubhouse is old, parking not great, but sheep poo and walkers on the day no problem. Fairways are wide, and after driving over a couple of marker posts the novelty wears off and there is a certain similarity off the tee. There was no great advantage in being straight off the tee and I agree that it is very much a second shot course. Played in May 2017 after a dry spell and as a result the greens were bumpy and very hard; not only was putting a lottery but because the greens were not receptive to any incoming shot you had to play short and take the luck of the bounce off the natural hazards and slopes. My favourite holes were the par 4 5th (partly because the drive was actually framed by the gorse) and the short par 3 15th over a quarry. The 13th I found disappointing because off the yellow tee I was left with a blind shot over the hill to the green. Overall I thought a better course than Painswick, but probably not as good as Minchinhampton Old and certainly not as good as Kington. I actually played Church Stretton the day after Cleeve and this was far better in most respects including views, quirkiness, interest and green condition. In fairness to Cleeve it would probably sit nicely as a holiday fun course and I think it may play better in wetter conditions with softer greens. Overall an average course for me with (on the day) very poor greens, however I am actually putting it in the 3 ball category because looking at the Gloucestershire rankings I would actually still prefer to play it ahead of The Players and The Kendleshire