Pine Valley - New Jersey - USA

Pine Valley Golf Club,
Clementon,
New Jersey (NJ) 08021,
USA


  • +1 856 309 3203

  • 1 mile W of Clementon off 683

  • Members and their guests only

  • Charley Raudenbush

  • George Crump, Harry Colt

  • David W. Clark


Pine Valley Golf Club was the dream of a Philadelphian hotelier, George Crump, who sadly died before its completion. The legacy he left behind is universally considered to be the perfect example of penal golf course architecture.

The course is located on the New Jersey side of Philadelphia and it’s impossible to believe that one of the world’s best golf courses is set in such featureless countryside. Crump started work on this desolate piece of land in 1912 and, after receiving Harry Colt’s seal of approval on the routing, 14 holes were ready for play in 1916. Crump died in 1918 and his dream 18-hole course was one year away from completion.

Pine Valley officially opened in 1919 but it took three years for anybody to get round in 70 strokes and it quickly became renowned the world over as the ultimate test of golf. The members were quick to realise their was an opportunity for a quick buck and offered a standing bet to anyone playing for the first time that they won’t break 80. In 1954, Arnold Palmer took all bets going and cleaned up, shooting a 68. “I was desperate for money at the time,” he explained. “I was about to be married. So I collected all the bets I could find. I don’t know what I would have done If I had lost – it was far more money than I could afford.”

“Pine Valley fills you with dread and delight… it takes your breath away… it’s a monster, but it’s beautiful.” Wrote Robert Trent Jones in the Complete Golfer. “It is frequently alluded to as the most difficult course in the world, and this reputation is justified. To my way of thinking, it also possesses more classic holes than any other course in the world – ten of the eighteen. Of the remaining holes, five are outstanding, two are good, and one, the 12th, is ordinary, which, at Pine Valley, is tantamount to being a misfit.

I remember playing a round at Pine Valley not so long ago with Lowell Thomas, who as you know, has travelled the world as widely as any man. On this 15th, after we had driven across the lake that separates the tee from the start of the fairway, Thomas turned and looked back across the water, then quietly gazed at the rest of the scene around us. ‘In all my travels,’ he said, ‘I do not think I’ve seen a more beautiful landscape. This is as thrilling as Versailles or Fontainebleau.’”

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Description: Pine Valley Golf Club was the dream of a Philadelphian hotelier, George Crump, who sadly died before its completion. The legacy he left behind is universally considered to be the perfect example of penal golf course architecture. Rating: 9.8 out of 10 Reviews: 17
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Sas Mahadeva

After dreaming of playing Pine Valley for 15 years, I finally got the chance to play this great course in October 2019. A close friend extended me an invitation to join him to play Merion East Course and Pine Valley on consecutive days. He was invited to play these courses.

I was given less than a week’s notice to travel to Philadelphia. After re-arranging all my work schedule and client meetings, I was on my way to Philadelphia. We stayed in downtown Philadelphia. The following day our wonderful host played with us at Merion. The weather was glorious and I understood why Merion is ranked 12 in the World and has held numerous US Opens.

The following day, our Merion host and a Pine Valley member had arranged for us to play Pine Valley at 2.30 pm. We were due to meet for a leisurely lunch and use the range facilities before tee off. The weather forecast for the day was dreadful and there was a chance that our round was going to be cancelled. Our thoughtful host, changed our tee off time to 11am to try and beat the afternoon thunder storms. At 7.45 am on the morning we got a call from the host to say that there was still a risk of us not being able to finish the round with the newly arranged 11 am start. We were asked to make our way to Pine Valley for a 9 am tee off time. I had one of the quickest showers, no breakfast and had to get ready and leave our down town hotel within 20 minutes. The uber journey took us 50 minutes and we arrived at Pine Valley at 8.55m. Due to the expected bad weather in the afternoon the course was very busy that morning. The host and the course superintendent managed to squeeze us in for a 9.10 am tee off from the 10th,. No time to warm-up at the range nor hit a few practice putts. We changed into our golf shoes and were driven straight to the 10th tee. It certainly not the way I had planned to play Pine Valley.

The 10th is a short par three. Miraculously, my tee shot just rolled off the back of the green and I managed to two put from the fringe for a par. That kind of settled my nerves. But it never was easy from then on. I have played just over 30 of the World’s Top 100 courses. I would say, Pine Valley along with Beth Page Black must be the hardest courses I have played. The fairways were like carpets and the green complexes were magnificent and scary at the same time. The course is full of waste bunkers everywhere. As many writers have claimed before, Pine Valley does not have a weak hole.

The course is in the middle of a large expanse of wooded land. The whole place is tranquil and you rarely see two greens from any spot. One of the quirks of Pine Valley is that you never rake the bunkers. You just brush the sand with your feet once you have played your shot. Another point worth mentioning is the concept of caddies double bagging. This seems to be a common practice in the US whereby one caddy carries two bags. Though it seemed an odd way to play, it certainly was a unique experience.

My friend and I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Merion and Pine Valley members for hosting us. It truly was a memorable experience for us.

November 07, 2019
10 / 10
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RM61

Pine Valley has had many reviews which explain the holes, the history and the club. For me as a professional its the challenge of Pine Valley that I look forward to. We have been fortunate to play here the past four years staying in the rooms situated upstairs in the clubhouse which are old school comfortable which is a blessing after 36 holes a day. The course itself is a test of nerve and shotmaking. The fairways are Pine Valley Golf Course - Photo by reviewer actually relatively wide but if you miss the one piece of advice I received on my first day is to take your medicine and pitch out otherwise you run the risk of racking up a cricket score! Club selection for your approach shots is pivotal to scoring well, the greens except 8 and 17 are large and the ball tends to run away from the flag than towards it. There are many great holes but my favourites are hole 2 a shortish par 4 that requires a straight drive before a second shot to an elevated green set about 50 yards above the player. The green itself is incredibly undulating and it’s easy to find yourself on the wrong side of the slope. The 8th which has two green complexes (The left green is the day to day green) starts with a blind tee shot which aims the player towards the left side of the fairway which is actually the best line in to the green. The safe Pine Valley Golf Course - Photo by reviewer tee shot is down the right but this leaves the player having to hit the approach shot across this narrow green from a hanging lie. A deep bunker protects the right side of this green which is virtually impossible to recover from. Another bunker short of the green swallows the under hit approach and left of the green are a couple of narrow traps that you can barely stand in! The green itself is set over three levels with a narrow back shelf….8 is a truly brilliant hole! Onto the back 9, 13 is one of the best par 4 holes in the world a long hole that pushes the golfer away from the green from the tee (This is an ongoing feature of PV the tiger line taken from the tee will leave you a shorter and easier approach shot) leaving a long approach shot to the large green set below the player. My nemesis though is hole 15 a long uphill par 5 that really has no room to land a second shot…you would be better laying back with your second shot leaving a short iron to the green. The green has a Pine Valley Golf Course - Photo by reviewer huge tier in the front third section that hinders any kind of running shot and if you do fly it all the way beware of going long as its dead! I have played this hole 21 times now and made one par on my 15th attempt! Finally hole 17 which now has a new back tee is cracking short uphill par 4 to a green set above the player. Anything short will find sand (No rakes at PV so you need a decent sand game to extricate yourself from the traps) Anything long will result in a bogey or worse! The green slopes from right to left and from back to front so club selection is vital. All in all Pine Valley keeps you concentrated from hole 1 to 18 and although its a demanding course it rewards patience, accuracy and shotmaking which is not a bad thing. I agree with other reviewers that rankings are subjective but for me it would be hard to find anywhere better than Pine Valley.

July 28, 2019
10 / 10
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Justin Britton

What more can be said about PV? It is one-of-a-kind and truly deserving of its label as the #1 course in the world.

February 20, 2019
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Chris Mavros

Pine Valley was created by George Crump, who purchased the property in 1912. Crump had never designed a golf course before, but collaborated with several of the Golden Age architects (Colt, MacKenzie, Wilson, Thomas, Travis, MacDonald, Flynn to name a few), who most likely recognized the sandy soil, rolling terrain, windswept native grass and pines as ideal for a golf course that could play year long. Tragically, Crump's health and finances declined during the years the course was built, ultimately dying before it was completed.

Nothing really prepares you for when you get through the gate and make your way to the clubhouse. There's a sense of surrealism that seizes upon you as you enter those gates. Realizing where you are, and how fortunate you are to be there, was very poignant to me, which added to the wonder and splendor of the place. The clubhouse and staff are all friendly and down to earth, making you feel as welcome as if you were at your own home course. It's about the golf here, not about pomp, prestige or anything else. Caddies refer to the members by first name and the members know the names of their kids, cracking jokes about this and that throughout the round. I instantly felt comfortable, all while staying in awe the whole time.

On to the course. While I was determined to stay objective in my thoughts, I quickly realized there was no need; it's as good as they say. The collaboration, and what Crump incorporated from it, resulted in the finest test in golf that calls upon the depths of all your golfing acumen and fortitude to manage it. The course blends the penal, strategic and heroic design philosophies very well, and all can be seen throughout. There simply is not a weak hole and in fact, every hole is all-world. The terrain, variety, visuals, are ideal. While difficult, it's fair and great shots are rewarded. Great shots are also demanded and I can say I hit some of the best shots of my life during that round. I also hit some of the worst, either from fatigue, intimidation, difficulty of the shot, or a combination thereof. The course's capacity to draw these shots out of you is one of several ways in which the rounds, holes and shots here become immortalized in your memory. The visuals, and how they're revealed as you advance towards the green, are outstanding, which evoke inspiration, intimidation and temptation, yet provide strategic options and reward course knowledge. One of the more surprising aspects is how difficult it was to lose a ball. Most wayward shots were found and there was a realistic chance for recovery. It's also great for match play because of the distinct challenges and the different ways each hole can be played depending on how your tee shot ends up and how hazards are handled. Finally, the routing is impeccable, accommodating the diverse terrain, which in turn produces a diversity of holes and play.

December 20, 2017
10 / 10
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M. James Ward

In the golf pecking order of ultimate greatness -- the name Pine Valley resonates as the first among equals. It is the "Citizen Kane" of golf courses. When rankings of the global best layouts are spelled out -- it is the New Jersey-based club which nearly always claims the top spot and rightfully so.

Founded in 1913 by a group of amateur golfers -- Pine Valley was the brainchild of Philadelphia hotelier George Crump. Crump wanted to create a course clearly beyond all others. At Pine Valley he insisted there be no parallel holes -- no two holes going in the same direction and that all clubs in one's bag would be called upon to provide top tier execution. Crump died before Pine Valley was finished and was eventually holes #12 thru #15 were completed by the efforts of Hugh and Alan Wilson from nearby Merion Golf Club outside of Philadelphia. The contributions of other noted architects over the years reads like a who's who among the giants in the golf architecture profession.

When one hears the name Pine Valley the quick association often references the wild and wooly nature of the grounds that exist beyond the finely prepared turf areas where play should take place. Wayward shots can result in particularly high scores although in nearly all cases fairway widths are considerable.

The strength of the course is twofold. First its all-star grouping of holes -- richly varied requiring the fullest range of skills to play them. At Pine Valley the player must adjust constantly -- shaping shots as called upon -- flighting the ball to achieve the proper marriage between accuracy and distance.

The most underrated aspect deals with the vexing putting surfaces. When the greens are at full speed and the course is playing firm and fast it takes a herculean effort to place the ball in the proper position in order to maximize one's score. While the greens are not at the level of such American stalwarts as Oakmont, Oakland Hills / South, Augusta National and Winged Foot / West -- the ones found at Pine Valley are clearly an impressive lot -- varying in pitch, size and playing angles to overcome.

Arguably, Pine Valley has one of the game's grand starting holes. The dog-leg right plays just under 440 yards and it invites the bold play from the tee. The prudent play is to simply keep the ball in play and avoid biting too much off of the dog-leg. The approach faced portends what the player will encounter time after time -- precision is richly rewarded -- indecision and doubt will suffer appreciably. When the pin is placed in the most rear section of the 1st -- it takes a golfer with supreme confidence and unerring nerve to hit an approach all the way to the back.

As mentioned -- although the playing corridors are sufficiently wide enough -- it is the constant thought that poor execution of any serious type will pay a huge price.

The quartet of short par-4's at Pine Valley are all tour de force holes. The 2nd at 368 yards is a gem -- the beautifully contoured green sitting atop a small rise of land with punishment awaiting the misplayed shot -- either off the tee or during the approach. The 8th is one of golf's grand short holes -- featuring two greens -- the second being added not many years ago by architect Tom Fazio. When the original left green is in play the narrowness of the green makes it critical for the player to gauge the flight of the ball and yardage correctly. Birdie is possible -- so is double-bogey -- or more. The 12th at just under 340 yards is a 90-degree dog-leg left and it attempts to seduce the player in going for the aggressive play at the tee. Pity the poor soul who gets taken in and tries to vainly accomplish a result that is best carried out with a far wiser choice in hitting to the far right side and providing the best approach angle. At the 17th -- the 345-yard hole -- is another that calls upon placement off the tee followed by a well-played approach to a marvelously positioned green that sits above the fairway.

Pine Valley has only two par-5 holes -- each is stellar. The 7th is noted for "hell's half acre" a wasteland of sand that cuts off the fairway and requires the player to successfully negotiate its dreaded expanse. At the 15th you play in the opposite direction from the 7th -- the fairway becoming narrower and narrower as you approach the green.

The foursome of par-3 holes is also vintage stuff. The 3rd at 198-yards features a sand engulfed target. The 5th - named as the hole where only "God can make a three" is terrifying for the player unable to hit it archer-like straight from the tee to a green 238 yards away and almost all uphill. The short 10th at 161 yards -- with its solitary deep pit frontal bunker -- the devil's asshole -- that can swallow up a player for eternity. And capped off with the 15th at 220 yards -- played from an elevated tee to a green sternly protected by a water hazard.

The lone real issue with Pine Valley is the amount of tree growth that took place during the 1950's and 1960's. In its original form -- Pine Valley was free of trees -- the overall scene stark -- layered with immense sandy areas scattered all around. The profusion of trees only served to obscure the character of the land and the holes themselves. The desire to "open" up the course has been an ongoing matter and clearly has been an immense aid to bringing to full effect the nature of what Crump originally envisioned. The resulting improvement in the overall health of the turf has also been an added by-product of note.

As a New Jersey resident I have always taken pride in the fact that golf's top course is located in the Garden State -- my home. Despite New Jersey's small size the most noted golf course certainly in the United States -- and save for the likes of The Old Course at St. Andrews -- the most noted globally -- is often shrouded in shadows because so little of the course has ever been shown on television save for the likes of a Shell's Wonderful World of Golf episode and in hosting the 1936 and 1985 Walker Cup Matches. Pine Valley remains a scintillating golf design justifiably revered for the consistent manner in which it has separated the pretender from the true contender who walks its grounds.

Like Zeus who reigns above all others from Olympus in the lore of mythology -- Pine Valley resides in its own pantheon -- a monument to its founder who wanted to create something no one would ever forget. It remains unforgettable -- a vintage incomparable masterpiece.

By M. James Ward

February 08, 2017
10 / 10
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John Sabino

Perennially ranked as the #1 golf course in the world, Pine Valley has it all. While many courses have some or many of the elements outlined below, none have the distinct combination of them all: A visionary founder, an extraordinary routing, the unparalleled pedigree of its designers, privacy, perfectly maintained fairways, true greens, forced carries off every tee, the difficulty that the waste areas cause when a golfer is off the fairway or green, the risk/reward options available, a mix of short and long holes, the membership, the practice facility, the caddies, the natural terrain, the intangibles of the location and the fact that is in New Jersey!

John Sabino is the author of How to Play the World’s Most Exclusive Golf Clubs

November 09, 2016
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ben sargent

Pine Valley. . . Where to start. I believe when reviewing PV one must first state, and understand, the level it is being rated at, and the courses it is being ranked against. PV appears at #1 in the vast majority of magazine, online, forum and book review lists. That means it is up there with the other giants of the game - Augusta, Cypress Point, St Andrews, Muirfield, Royal County down etc. etc... I like to bear these places in mind while reviewing PV and compare in my mind the holes on those courses, the shots you're required to play, the game plan you need to plot your way around, the surroundings the course enjoys, and so on and so on... I played PV two months ago and, naturally, enjoyed the whole experience thoroughly. However, and this may be a very controversial 'however', I think Pine Valley is overrated. Now, everyone just calm down a minute let me explain.

Rather than recount the many fantastic things that are indeed right and wonderful about Pine Valley, here are the (minor) areas I think it falls down: There's no question that a day at Pine Valley is and will be one of the most treasured, rare, and privileged days of your life for those lucky enough to be invited. From the difficulty and randomness of finding your way past the run down nearby theme park and then over the railroad tracks and into the PV township itself. To the other worldly feeling one feels when in the rustic old clubhouse and locker rooms . . . And the golf course is undeniably breath-taking, with seemingly no 'weak' holes on the property. But for me, something is not quite right. As great as it is, something just doesn't add up. For one I'm not a fan of the course returning to the clubhouse area after just 4 holes. This is detrimental to the overall 'journey' of a round. It also means your approach shots to the 4th green and tee shots from the 5th are likely to be interrupted by the hustle and bustle that goes with the nearby proximity to the clubhouse, valet, car park and main internal driveway. Nit picking this may well be, but we are after all rating something that is (if the other reviews are to be believed) as close to golfing perfection as one can find on this fair planet. You wouldn't expect to find a wonky wheel on a Ferrari 250 GT... Or a fly on the plate of an otherwise blemish free Heston Blumenthal meal, or for that matter a shoddy brushstroke in the corner of a Picasso... Shall I continue?

Since we're discussing the 5th hole, the incredibly difficult uphill par 3, may I mention the ugly tower block 'guest rooms' that stare back at you with contempt and ruin an otherwise picturesque scene. The well documented 'hell's half acre' wasteland that exists immediately in front of the 7th tee hides an otherwise average par 5. 12 is a short par 4 that, were it not at Pine Valley, would be lauded as a very average short 4 par hole, that is equally short on design features and shot values, not to mention aesthetic appeal.. 16 is a fantastic long par 4, yet it somehow feels slightly out of character with the rest of the course – probably down to the completely flat level entry to the green and the vast lake that laps inches away from the right edge of the putting green. Finally we arrive at the 18th hole. An absolutely stunning vista is offered from the raised tee, but what might be a 9 rated hole is spoiled once more by the comings and goings of the main internal road right up by the greenside. Which means, much like on the East course at Wentworth you may find yourself repeatedly backing off from hitting the approach of what will likely be one of the most crucial shots of your round. Or worse still you may find yourself taking a few extra looks at the green before pulling the trigger on that demanding final shot because there is a Chevrolet sitting on the edge of your peripheral vision and your are not quite sure whether it's waiting or about to dart right in front of your 5iron (as well as trying to consider what effect the severe ball below the feet lie will have on the outcome of your shot - whence you finally are able to play it!) Knit picking yes… but these are the stark facts as I see them.

Now you may say that the other great courses of the world have a similar number of tiny blots on their otherwise near perfect copybook. But that is the crux of my argument, how can Pine Valley be held in such esteem at the very top of the pile when it has a similar number of blemishes to its rivals. The otherwise perfect Old Course in St Andrews arguably suffers from a string of ‘samey’ par 4’s on the outward 9, and too many holes that run in the same direction. Similarly Royal County Down has a few too many weaker holes on its back 9, as well as (arguably) too many blind shots. Merion in the United States flirts with roads and residential nuisance on over half its holes, as well as having its fair share of (relatively speaking as ever) weak holes. But, and this is the thing, I don’t believe that Pine Valley’s rivals have any more of these blots than Pine Valley itself does. In fact I’d go so far as to say The Old Course, Muirfield, Royal County and Bethpage Black have slightly less blotting so to speak. I’d also go on to say that the setting / views, the history and the accessibility of these courses to Joe public also elevate said courses further above Pine Valley.

To conclude this short review ( / essay) I’d like to also touch on the subject of shot values, strategy and the sheer buzz you get from playing a golf hole or shot. Let’s say on most courses you have 36 full shots to play. If you rank each shot on these factors I feel somewhere like Bethpage Black ranks far higher than Pine Valley. Having played these two courses on consecutive days I think I’m in a fairly decent position to judge on this point. Without going into too much detail, in purely laymen’s terms I feel Bethpage offered me a far greater number of wow moments as I stood on tees and approach shots. As well as more strategy, more subtlety - an aesthetically more pleasing design. For me Bethpage is the ultimate test, not Pine Valley. The fact that it is the People’s Course only raises it in my regard. Muirfield in Scotland, while a completely different kettle of fish, would return similar rankings for me. With the added bonus of the stunning vistas and the ever changing wind / weather conditions to add into the mix. Ditto County Down and the Old Course. I’d also (sorry, just to rub a bit of salt in the wound to PV aficionado’s) raise the concern of the trees… when Pine Valley was originally conceived and constructed there were about 90% less trees and woodland and the shot variety and strategy would have been vastly different, and in my opinion of a higher value than today. This is a point that baffles me as to why PV is ranked so highly today as so many critics, architects, experts etc. bemoan trees on a golf course and lament them as being detrimental to a good layout and good shot values and even detrimental to the overall aesthetics of a golf course experience… so why then do these same experts rank it so highly? I’m more inclined to agree with the Architects Choice Magazine Top 100 that has St Andrews Old Course as their #1 with Cypress Point at #2 and County Down, Royal Dornoch, Muirfield, North Berwick and Kingsbarns all in their top 20. It’s nigh on impossible to assign actual rankings to courses simply because of the sheer number of variables when making the decision. I prefer the grouping of courses in categories (as used to be the chosen rankings method when Golf World started their rankings in the UK many years ago). On this basis I would have a Category 1 or ‘A’ group as follows: St Andrews Old Course County Down Muirfield North Berwick Kingsbarns Bethpage Black I would place Pine Valley in my ‘B’ category list of courses, together with the likes of Royal Dornoch, National Golf Links of America, Sunningdale New, Loch Lomond.

As a final passing thought I would like to question the qualification and validity of George Crump as a course designer / Architect. He had relatively little experience or training prior to setting out his ‘masterpiece’ (his only ‘piece’ I’ll have you know). All the other courses at the top of the pile have been set out by legends of the game, most of whom have numerous other examples of their genius in the world’s best rankings lists. Tom Morris, Alistair McKenzie, Harry Colt, A W Tillinghast, Donald Ross – legends of their profession, all boasting hugely successful and varied portfolios. I ask this final question; name one other genius in his or her chosen area of expertise that only ever had one creation? Ferrari and Marranello didn’t stop after their first GT creation 1948. Da Vinci’s work didn’t begin and end with the Mona Lisa. More importantly all of these artists, in having multiple creations, were able to improve over time through trial and error, through learning different techniques and through learning from their contemporaries, trying to emulate or better them. And in the case of the course designers mentioned above - visiting and learning from the great courses of the world and each other. Tilly, Dr McKenzie, C B MacDonald all spent time in the UK, spent time exchanging theories and learning from Old Tom Morris, studying and playing The Old Course, North Berwick and many more. Very little of which Crump undertook before working on Pine Valley.

Don’t get me wrong, Pine Valley is one of the greatest golf courses in the world, no question, I just feel that it should reside somewhere at the bottom end of the top 10 and not the lofty position it has commanded for so many years. I’m sure many will disagree, hopefully the odd eccentric or young upstart may agree…? There you have it. Pine Valley – 10th best course in the world. Now, who wants a cup of tea?

November 15, 2014
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Jay
November 21, 2014
I have not played in Europe, but I've played in many other countries of the world, and Pine Valley is the best course I've played. Including Augusta National, Pinehurst #2, and Pebble Beach.
Bill
November 21, 2014
The club certainly has been derelict in maintaining the original design intent of hole #12, but it is a magnificent design. Any course returning to a clubhouse at any time is a function of something called routing and this is what was given by the architects on the project. If you did your history lesson properly, you would have found that Crump has been revered as the club founder but it is now clear that one nearly unknown architect known as Harry Shapland Colt is responsible for the final routing. Crump died before the course design was even completed and someone named Charles Hugh Alison finished or fleshed the routing out. There is evidence, strong evidence that Alfred Warren Tillinghast - a name you chose to mention - had quite a hand in the design and I'll let you research the rest. I hope that it is with ironic satire that you wrote this very personally biased and unobjective "review/essay" of the site of more intentional golf architecture per square yard that resides on the planet. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are sadly out of touch with easily researched informations.
Jerry
November 21, 2014
Wow! If I were this guy, I would have stopped after the 4th hole like Woody Platt did and gone home. The good news for him is that he''ll never have to suffer through another round at a "B"course like PV. This selfstyled critic and architect just doesn''t get what a Pine Valley is all about. The "flaws" in PV''s design are its uniqueness and greatness (e.g. "Hell''s Half Acre"). Saying that #7 would be "ordinary" without this famous bunker, is like saying the same about the 16th at Cypress without the Pacific Ocean. The unexplainable genius of George Crump was supplemented by the able input of one Harry Colt. I guess our author is ignorant of that fact.
Marc
November 21, 2014
"Pine Valley, rated the no. 1 golf course in the world by those lucky enough to have played it" That says it all
Ben
December 02, 2014
'twas me that posted that review... On second thoughts I was a bit harsh on the 7th hole, I think I forgot the exact layout and the double waste carries... Regarding the harry colt collaboration, I was aware of that, and of his input, including the finishing of the course after Crump's passing. I must admit I have only recently become aware of Tillinghasts involvement. I still feel some of my comments about crump are still valid as he would have the vast majority of final say and decisions on the overall layout. I challenge the people that disagree to point out how bethpage black is weaker than pine valley? Or muirfield or royal county down. I think I have made fair comments, and I said several times that pine valley is unquestionably one of the very best courses in the world, I just feel, on my gut instinct that there are a select few courses that surpass, slightly, pine valley....
ben
December 02, 2014
Me again . . . Look . The more I think about it the more I agree with myself . (does that sound like I''m slightly crazy??!) . I''ve just been going over the holes in my head and also from my photographs. I honestly believe that PV only has half a dozen stand out world class holes. Namely, 2,3,10,14,17 and 18 if (you overlook the road) ... The 4th upsets me for some reason. The fifth, great it''s a 250 yard uphill par 3 with ridiculously encroaching trees and a green that falls off insanely unfairly on the right for such a long hole (which is why us open champ gene littler was made of fool of by hitting it right of the green and making a triple bogie 7 in his exhibition match against Byron nelson . .). Let''s not forget the ugly tower block apartments that over look the hole . 6 is decent but not spectacular. As are 7,8 and 9. 10 is a fantastic short par 3.. 11 and 12 are good holes, wouldn''t decree them the honor of being great however. 13 is mediocre . 14 is an awesome downhill par 3 over water to a tricky green. 15 is a pretty par 5 that is basically a slog uphill for almost half a mile. But a joyful slog . Doesn''t make it a great hole though . . 16 is a very good hole. But a bit out of character with the rest of the course . 17 and 18 are excellent. If I were to run through the holes at bethpage or Muirfield or county down. The results are far more favorable. Bethpage''s run of holes from 4 thru 11 is incredible. 8 awesome holes in a row . Then there''s the fantastic climax on the final 4 holes. County down has 9 world class holes in a row right from first tee . And a smattering of them on the back 9. The course overall is also devoid of a weak hole. Throw in mountain and sea views to die for . Irish hospitality. And perhaps you have the real world number one? Oh, did I mention that anybody can play it? . I implore all the pine valley lovers to come forth and explain why . . Why is pine v better than RCD or Bethpage black? Why
David
December 05, 2014
There are some very strong tributes on the RCD page which suggests that it is better than PV. As you are able to play RCD and very few get to play PV, the sample size for RCD makes it a more credible pick for No 1
Fergal
December 10, 2014
Every ranking list must have a number 1. It immediately becomes subject to zealous sceptics, passionate debate and endless arguments. The above review achieves the objective of being controversial, but I acknowledge that the point of view is honest and well thought out. There are many different golf publications offering Top 100 lists, each publication with a different ranking system and a significantly different set of panellists. But what’s the common denominator? For almost 40 years, despite the different ranking methods, the complex algorithms, stringent evolving ranking criteria and demographic of global panellists, Pine Valley almost always takes top spot. Other courses which rank high on one list but (drastically) different on other list always baffles the golfing community – and warrants a legitimate investigation. However, you never hear much muttering about inconsistency across publications when it comes to Pine Valley. Without even getting into the details of “why” it’s number 1 in the world, it’s worthwhile appreciating that context across multiple decades of golf analysis across a variety of publications.

A number of the nit-picking observations are purely based on the gentleman’s experience and his basis for comparison. As Crump drafted the routing, the thought of having valet parking, hustle and bustle at the main entrance were probably not even factors in his mind 100 years ago when he drew up the 4th and 5th holes. Not many people have an issue returning to the clubhouse after the 4th hole, especially Mr. Woody Platt! Bethpage may be the most interesting design; however, golf is more than just championship play. Championship courses are rarely “fun” (and vice versa). The most difficult thing to do is create a great championship course that is also fun, venues like Cypress Point, Merion, Sand Hills and National Golf Links of America come to mind. A number of the reviewer’s criticisms of Pine Valley did not exist when the course was built and are not the fault of the designer (eg: valet parking and traffic distractions). Furthermore, if cars bother you while golfing, then let’s get real here – more people have seen the Loch Ness Monster than invasive traffic issues at Pine Valley.

Every course has its flaws, but every list must have a number 1. Pine Valley itself has long been viewed as an unbeatable monster, the world’s hardest inland layout. However, suggestions that it’s just a house of horror miss the mark widely. There is no rough in the accepted sense, just trees, scrub and huge sand areas. There are, perhaps, more death-or-glory shots here than on any other golf course. Pine Valley also presents numerous strategy challenges within its rigours. Most people who play at the Old Course for the first time probably won’t remember every hole because many of the holes at the end of the property blend together and don’t offer a lot in terms of excitement. Most people who play at Royal County Down for the first time probably won’t remember every hole because you can’t see about 6 of them. You will remember every hole at Pine Valley even years after you play it. I’m the first to admit that you have to play a course a number of times to gain a full appreciation for it.

I can sense that the reviewer seems to think that Pine Valley was only created by George Crump. That couldn’t be further from the truth, and the fact that it had contributions (or varying degrees) from Walter Travis, Harry Colt, Charles Alison, Alan and Hugh Wilson, William Flynn, George Thomas and Perry Maxwell only further validates why it’s the ultimate layout – it was touched by all of the greatest architects in golf history! It’s somewhat ignorant to bypass the reality that Crump certainly called upon the services of a number of distinguished Golden Age architects. Furthermore, Crump didn’t even complete all 18 holes, the 12th through 15th holes were finalised after his untimely death in 1918.

We’ve therefore proven that Crump did not entirely design Pine Valley. Even though it was the only golf course that he was associated with, I’ll happily answer the question of “name one other genius in his or her chosen area of expertise that only ever had one creation? ”. I welcome the reviewer to read about Mr. Henry Fownes who was the soul designer of Oakmont Country Club. Oakmont was the only course he designed, so if you want to pick on Crump for Pine Valley (which isn’t even valid because the course was clearly designed by multiple people), then let’s not forget about Fownes’ single creation in the Pittsburgh suburbs. The golf world considers OCC as one of the best, despite the absolutely irrelevant fact that it was created by a guy with limited architecture experience. Just because a course wasn’t designed by a Golden Age giant doesn’t mean it can’t be outstanding.

No course presents more vividly and more severely the basic challenge of golf, the balance between fear and courage. Nowhere is the brave and beautiful shot rewarded so splendidly, nowhere is there such a terrible contrast between reward and punishment, and yet, withal, the examination is fair. You could argue that Pine Valley is number 1 in the world because it was built by the architectural dream team.

I take milk in my tea, thanks. Fergal O’Leary
Dan
January 14, 2015
Now that is a fantastic review. Needs to be critical if it's the top rated in the world! Tip of the hat. Either way, it's a long old trip from Surrey so can't see myself playing it for a while (offers of complimentary green fee and travel are welcomed)...
David
January 23, 2015
It''s nit picking, not ''knit picking''
Tom
November 26, 2015
“13 is mediocre”. With those few words alone you lose any semblance of credibility. 13 is an astonishing hole, full of strategy, and playable for all levels of golfers. The drive is wide open (as they tend to be), but you need to think about the approach shot and angle given the trouble short and left of the green. So you can aim out to the right, and leave yourself a longer shot in, but with a better angle, or play left and have a shorter, riskier shot in. Then the approach shot allows all sorts of options – you can hit a running shot in using the ground contours, or have to carry it all the way over the trouble from the left hand side. “8.. is decent”. No, it’s an incredible short par 4. A half wedge off a downslope to a tiny, tiered green will test the mettle of anyone, and it’s also very clever routing to follow what might well be the largest green on the course with the smallest. Let’s also talk about 7. When standing over your approach shot it looks like the green is wide but not very deep. You are shocked when you get there to realise it’s actually deeper than it is wide! Could some tree clearance be of benefit? Certainly, especially on 9 behind the green (making it a skyline) and on 12 to open up the views to the green. I’ve also played Bethpage Black and it’s not in the same class as Pine Valley in my opinion. I found the greens (with the exception of 15) to be relatively devoid of much interest, pretty flat and mainly pushed up. I like greens with lots of internal contouring – like Pine Valley, Merion, Oakmont, Cypress Point etc. It also feels rather samey to me – lots of long par 4s, no short par 4s like you find at the true great courses I just mentioned. I have played quite a few of Tillinghast’s courses and Bethpage Black is not even my favourite course of his. I prefer Sleepy Hollow or Winged Foot East / West from those that I have played.
D
January 15, 2016
Another pointless review of a course very few people are fortunate to get to play. It doesn't matter if PV is no 1 or No 10, it is undoubtedly a great course (that you cant play). One of the benefits of this exemplary website is to provide guidance to golfers round the world on the merits or otherwise of the various golf courses. Not much value rating PV, CP, Augusta etc. Could the website publish a list of public courses ? (RCD would be no 1). Before anyone says it, yes of course I'm jealous of the guys able to tee it up on these lauded tracks
Matthew Freedman
April 11, 2018

I felt compelled to add some critical knowledge to this review as I did not see it mentioned in any of the responses.

When reviewing a course as venerable as Pine Valley, one should first not only play the course but even more importantly understand the history of the club and the incredible effort and planning involved in designing and creating the greatest golf course in the world.

With that in mind, I need to add a significant tidbit of knowledge to this review as it was stated it was a poor routing decision to bring the course back to the clubhouse after hole #4.

Everyone knows that Crump sadly passed away with only 14 holes constructed (he did not finish holes 12-15)

The REASON that hole 4 takes players back to the clubhouse was because at the time the course was built, Crump had only enough money and time to start by building 14 holes and needed to open for play - thus, he designed the course so that the players could replay holes 1-4 and play an entire 18 and thus would END on hole 4...back at the clubouse!!!

The genius, wherewithal, and determination of this man deserves praise that cannot be overstated.

George Crump and Pine Valley are the stuff of legend

Larry Berle

I was ready for a difficult day of golf. Everyone said I would never break 100 on my first visit here. But I parred Number 1 and ended the day with a 92. This is one hard course, par 70 with a rating of 74 and a slope of 153, and it’s only 6,667 yards. I didn’t think the USGA gave out slope ratings that high.

On number 2, Barclay, who was a 4- or 5-handicap at the time, hit a perfect drive down the middle of this 375-yard hole. Then hit what appeared to be a perfect 6-iron, but it barely rolled over the back edge of the green. The green is severely sloped from back to front and the pin was all the way in the front. After a very delicate chip onto the green, he was surprised to hear his caddy say “Bye-bye,” as it slid off the front into one of the famous waste bunkers of Pine Valley, where he stayed for eight shots. Two putts later, Barclay was writing down a 12 for the hole. Number 7 is home to what may be the most famous hazard in golf. “Hell’s Half Acre,” a waste bunker that stretches from the 285-yard mark to the 380-yard mark on this par 5. The 10th hole seems to be a benign 145-yard par 3, but it has what appears to be a tiny bunker in the front left called “The Devil’s Asshole.” Lots of balls seem to find it, and many golfers get very exasperated in there. Enough said!

Number 15 is a 590-yard par 5 uphill into the wind. Whew! I hit driver, 3-wood, 3-wood, and 6-iron, and two putted for a 6. They were all pretty good shots too. It was exhausting. One famous Pine Valley story is about a golfer who had made a substantial bet that he could play the course without losing more than 10 golf balls. He was seen putting his ball across the bridge over the stream on 16, in order to win his bet and keep his ball for three more holes. The caddies at Pine Valley are invaluable, and they have eyes like hawks. The good news is a caddie can find almost any ball that finds its way into the scrub. The bad new is, he stands there and expects you to hit it. Bastard! Larry Berle.

October 27, 2014
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Keith Baxter
October 27, 2014
The above review is an edited extract from A Golfer’s Dream, which has been reproduced with the author’s kind permission. A Golfer’s Dream, by Larry Berle, tells the story of how a regular guy conquered America’s Top 100 Golf Courses (following Golf Digest’s 2001/2002 list). Larry has exclusively rated for us every course in the hundred, using our golf ball rating system. However, Larry did not rate the 100 courses against every golf course he has played, but instead he rated them in relation to each other within the hundred. Consequently, in some cases, his rating may seem rather low. A Golfer’s Dream is available in Kindle format and also on Kindle Unlimited via Amazon... click the link for more. 
Javier Pintos

In 1988 being a very young 8 handicapper I asked my golfing idol, Roberto "Cope" Benito, which was the best course in the world and he said Pine Valley was although he liked Merion East more. Information those days was not as wide as it is today, when with Google you can easily find very complete information on anything you want. So I very patiently waited until the time came by. With the Internet explosion I was able to read and learn a lot about this Heaven on Earth place called Pine Valley, and read plenty of information, websites, books, posts, pictures and many things that can get you close to "meeting" the course, as it is so tough to get there.

In 1990 an Argentine golfer was made member of Pine Valley and all IPine Valley Golf Course - Photo by reviewer can say is that I am very lucky to know him well and have a good relationship with him. Every time I met him I asked for more info, stories, details, anything that could get me to know better this special place. All I can say is that every day in my golfing life I felt in deeper love with this "lady", although I wasn't able to kiss her on the cheek! In the late 90s Cope Benito gave me a yellow polo shirt with the logo and it still remains one of my deepest golfing treasures, although I know have a couple more, a hat, ball markers, logo balls ... I already told the story on my Merion and Shinnecock Hills reviews, but the point is that a Myrtle Beach trip led me to also play these three courses in 3 consecutive days, which is not bad at all I believe.

Since the confirmation of the trip until the day we went across the gate (August 24th), a lot of new info came to my head and I was very anxious of finally getting together with this very good looking lady, maybe the nicest in the world. The day before we arrive to Philadelphia and after a stunning Lasagna we all three spent a long time "discussing" of the golf day we were about to experience and all three agred that it was a very big star in our golfing life. We arrived around 9am to the Club and it was a complete day, not only a round of golf. We first were able to leave our stuff at the lockers room, change our shoes and have a quick coffee at Pine Valley Golf Course - Photo by reviewerthe bar, facing the boards of all the Winners of the traditional events at Pine Valley, including the Club Championship. We were then showed the Maintenance Barn where you cant imagine how much equipment they have, they could easily maintain 5 courses with all that. After that we drove to the cottages, the houses and the historical buildings there and finally ending at the Driving Range for maybe the best warm up session in our lives: a full bucket of new ProV1s were waiting to be hit to the most perfect practice area you can imagine. I can say that even pictures will not be fair enough with this perfection.

Swing ready, we were then off to 1st tee to have a dancing session with the prettiest woman in the world, even the bravest and most good looking man would be nervous. The Masterpiece created by George Crump with very deep help from my hero A.W.Tillinghast gave us one of her best days, sunny, almost no wind and with the course in excellent condition, we couldn't ask for more ... Each hole is one world itslef, I would need 1 million characters to fully describe the whole course and it still couldn't be enough, so I will just point some bullet points: - I missed green #1 on the left, one of the toughest blind shots I have faced but could make on of my best approach shots and save par. - Hole #3 is so nice, deep green in the middle of wild sand. I made Pine Valley Golf Course - Photo by reviewerthe green to 30ft and easily 3 putted ... - Hole #5 maybe the toughest par 3 in the world, even if on the green, 2 putting is a tough task. On the back of hole #6 you will see a very strange metal figure, it is the swing plane of Jay Sigel, a Pine Valley hero. Hell's Half acre bunker is big, very big and the third shot although looking easy can be tough! The evil must be big, because his ass hole at 10 is huge! Half way house can't be more charming, with a frame with dozens of logo balls found on the course. Elevation change from tee to green on 14th will not look that much on pictures. Hole #15 is the most perfect par 5 you can play, getting home in 2 only very few have made it. There are many details and shots I could tell, but a round here is one different world for each golfer, I wish more devoted players where able to walk this links at least once and be able to read their reviews. Golf day ended with a walk on the par 3 course done by Fazio, if you like to gamble I cannot figure a better scenario.

Finally I am getting to read "Pine Valley: a Unique Haven of the game". If you can, read those lines in order to admire this place. Nothing more to say, a great day and a unique experience, Pine Valley is all you can dream of a Golf Club. You have to be there, you will never dream it as good!! Click here to read Javier's article in full.

January 02, 2014
10 / 10
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David Davis

On July 3rd I had the honor of making my maiden voyage to play Pine Valley on a members invite. Like everyone else I was amazed and perhaps also overwhelmed with the experience. I've come to learn that playing any of the world's top courses for the first time it's a bit unrealistic for all but the very best golfers to expect to have great rounds in terms of scoring. As Ian mentions below, Pine Valley like no other course sets the record straight in the first few holes. To me it said, clearly, you will have to find other ways to enjoy this round as you are not good enough and therefore should not expect or even fathom the idea that you might shoot a low score on this day. Let me add, while admittedly I am a hacker, I was just coming off my best round ever at Sand Hills in Nebraska where I shot a 72.

While I wouldn't classify Pine Valley as my favorite course just yet (that honor belongs to Cypress Point), I will definitely say it's among the hardest I have ever played and I'd like to, rather than simply go on about how great the architecture is be constructively critical in the politest possible way. I will say that my first experience there was everything you would expect, from the traditional not being able to find it, even with GPS (since it's not on any GPS system, which is pretty cool in and of itself), to chasing down the mail delivery truck that past by to ask him where the hell it was. The rest was exactly as Ian writes below in his excellent review. I also want to add that the day I played they had a pretty severe thunderstorm that had suspended play of a members father/son event so it was literally raining cats and dogs while at the same time being about 95 degrees when I arrived. The amazing part of this story was that we walked to the first tee with umbrellas and 1 minute before tee time the sun came out. This was of course fantastic however, at 95 degrees and 100% humidity I'm not sure if it was wetter when it was raining or when the sun was actually shinning. However the result was that the greens were very very soft, even to the point where balls that were not spinning back off the greens, even up to 5 meters were on occasion plugging straight into them (this happened to me on two of the par 3's). I would call this working to my advantage but on the 5 or so greens that I spun the ball backwards off of them into the bunker or rough the conditions were certainly not in my favor.

That Pine Valley the ultimate test is for a golfer I don't doubt for a minute. In fact, I would venture far enough to say that if you are not an excellent single hcp'er with decent length and strong ball control you might just have one of the more frustrating golf rounds of your life and that's if you are on your game. There are semi long carries off of most tees and often semi long carries from fairway to green. Again fine for excellent golfers but what about the average member or the older members? The gentleman who hosted me was in his 70's, a very good golfer as well. He played from the forward tees, I don't remember him being able to reach more than a couple fairways on the day. This makes me question of course what kind of a members club it is. Is that fun golf? If I was getting on in age, I'm 43, I would certainly be leaning towards a flatter, great routing, maybe even from Colt, on a smaller property that allowed me to enjoy my golf a little more.

The next issue would be the trees and again I certainly don't want to offend anyone as there is no argument this is the number one course in the world or at least top 2 together with Cypress Point. In examining some of the older photos of the course it is apparent that the 100+ years has produced a tremendous amount of tree growth and if I were on the greens committee one of the first projects I would undertake would be to attempt to bring back the space and playing corridors that the course originally had. The sandy ground where Pine Valley finds itself is without a doubt some of the world best golf terrain and it's in desperate need of some deforestation efforts. What would this change? Well, it would make the course even more appealing to the eye, it would make it a touch more playable for the average members there and protect it for future generations from completely being grown in. When the trees start to interfere with the architecture you are actually too late in taking action.

While I understand that this is my opinion only and like anything else it's subjective, how do you constructively criticize perfection. It is, however, amazing to think that you could even improve on a course like this isn't it?

In the end, for me when I walked off the course, on that day I was super excited to get into the clubhouse for a hard drink or 5. That ended up being a couple of Arnold Palmers since I had to drive back to Philly, but I walked off and left thinking to myself what I wouldn't give to come back with my best "A" game, knowing what to expect, with less intimidation and give this beautiful beast another run. I don't want to get greedy but I guy can always dream right?

July 30, 2013
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Tom Morris Junior
July 31, 2013
I am definitely getting a sense of "damning with faint praise" here. Perhaps we have it so drummed into our heads that Pine Valley is the best course on the planet, that then we relegate pretty legitimate criticisms as afterthoughts after a barrage of praise? PV seems to be the top 5 course in the world whose praise almost always comes with the most amount of caveats (namely the difficulty and the trees) - how many reviews of Cypress come with caveats? Not many I've read. Great review, though. It seems a shame to spend only one afternoon on property there. A proper three day spell taking it all in seems to be the ideal scenario.